Diesel Vans Compared: 2015 Ford Transit 150 Power Stroke vs Benz Sprinter 2500 and 2014 Ram ProMaster 1500. We have 1,977 Ford Transit vehicles for sale that are reported accident free, 1,755 1-Owner cars, and 153 personal use cars. Here in the southeast it isn't as readily available as out west...unless you consider BLM / COE type campgrounds to be boon docking...I don't. You must log in or register to reply here. The 3.5 seems well suited for expediting and is the most popular engine option for the Transit. 2020 Ford Transit Passenger Van Diesel. However in some Ford Transit based B's, like the Coachmen Crossfit, you can spec either engine. The Nugget is powered by a 129- and 168-hp 2.0-liter EcoBlue Euro 6 diesel engine, with the choice of manual or automatic transmission. Did you purchase a comparably sized Class B with a gasoline or diesel engine and WHY? Some Ford truck diesel engines are obviously better than others, and some are downright avoidable. They did feel a bit loose to say the least. Specifically looking at gas vehicles, but curious about diesel as well. This combination is enough for hauling 4,300 lb. I won't toss that much money in to any depreciating asset just for appearance. This hauler is available as a passenger van, cargo van, or crew van, and it provides modern driver-assistance features that can help keep you safe on the road. Longevity/Maintenance/ Resale/ Performance? The Transit is getting mid 14's in comparison. Visit a participating dealer for details. A Sprinter may be at 10K miles but how much is an oil change? Were planning shorter trips for a while... that was a lot of driving.... Do you have solar panels on your rig???? Most gasoline engines can be serviced just about anywhere, but, you may need a specialist to work and diagnose a diesel, especially Mercedes Benz... on the other hand, Mercedes Benz diesels are known for their longevity and long service intervals, so, if you have your engine maintenance done before you go, you're going to be good for at least 10,000 miles before your next oil change... And, diesels in general can be smaller.. and get twice the mileage a gasoline engine can get with more pulling power and performance...this is especially important when climbing hills and driving through the mountains... even at low speeds... Not once, anywhere, on our cross country trip did we encounter any situation where the coach had any difficulty climbing hills and mountains.... and we went some pretty steep locations... Resale value is another advantage for diesels.... because they are known for their longevity, people will generally pay more for one when it's time to sell or trade your coach...And, mileage on the engine is NOT taken into effect according to NADA ( National Automobiles Dealer Association) on used vehicles....it's only a consideration on gasoline engines.. What was your reason for going diesel or gasoline??? M-B delivered a commercial cargo van that RoadTrek modified. One of the best and memorable places we stayed was a BLM land near Arches National Park...not many amenities, but serene .... here's a picture.. below Hittle Bottom  .. Only a few people there when we visited..cleanest pit toilets we've ever seen and nice park hosts as well....since we're over 62..with the senior park pass...it was only $7.50 per night...Lots of beautiful scenery there...highly recommend.... We've boon docked in the past...and I agree it is much more peaceful. Modem must be activated within 60 days of purchase and remain active for at least 6 months. I can't even buy the M-B spec oil necessary for what I pay for the complete service. Here's the link to the NADA RV guide.... diesel miles are NOT required for value... see this below, http://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2012/Roadtrek/RS-Adventurous-Sprinter/6012700. I love my Econoline for the dependability and durability . You are using an out of date browser. Fuels costs are a major factor in my decision. What is the expected lifespan of most ford transit vans out there? As for your "not boon docking"...you probably could go out for a weekend and be fine... just have to wait for your water heater to kick back in . Knowing those two answers will help when considering any upgrades. I call the service advisors at Mercedes..." Dr. Feel Good"..... The Ford Transit-350 is available as a cargo van and a passenger van. 2019 Ford Mustang Convertible. Collectively those three items told me it did not make financial $en$e to "upgrade" to the optional diesel when we ordered our TS. The miles added up quickly. Smaller Diesel Or Larger Gasoline Engine? Same thing with most of the small Forest River Class C's like ours. I admit it did down shift in to fifth gear on some of the longer steep grades. The 2020 Ford® Transit comes in four spacious and dependable cargo van or passenger van models. The frequency and severity of repairs are both much higher than the average vehicle, which means you can expect more major repairs for the ProMaster 2500. There's a pretty good reason why people care about how this is done and WHY they are impressed by the details in an Airstream or my unit... please remember that the Winnebago Navion or View (same model) is a Mercedes Benz diesel that was cutaway and they built an entire body on the back end....in order to do that, they had to cut corners on the interior finishes on the interior of the coach. Now add in the extra cost per gallon of diesel, and DEF, over gas. No one can guarantee an engine forever because many do not take care of them,IMHO. Find the best Ford Transit for sale near you. No, it isn't the Rockies...but it isn't flat either. Compared to the 2019s, the 2020 Transits will have a pair of new engines, a … liked the bathrooms much better..and the extra space.. With this fuel economy, Ford Transit is maybe the best mpg cargo van at the moment. My MSRP was just over $100K, with every option except the diesel, and I didn't pay nearly that amount. Buyers of non-modem equipped vehicles will also receive Points for complimentary maintenance after enrollment. Use our handy tool to get estimated annual fuel costs based on your driving habits. It's certainly a premium.. The Hellwig provides so much improvement that Forest River now adds it on all their Sprinters our MBS was one of the first to have it standard. That's the same reason I usually drive Fords instead of Lincolns.... You've already spent way more...including my mods. Maintenance costs of the diesel versus the gasoline engine. What We Like. I have a little over 400,000 on F 250 super duty 7.3. So far nothing (knock on wood) has been done to engine. Ford continues to make small upgrades and enhancements to its full-size van. Thinking about selling my 2006 sprinter w/ 143xxx miles on it and upgrading to a transit. Plus I don't have any diesel filters to purchase. Not bad considering that our TS weighed in right at 10,000 pounds when I had the RVSEF do a "four corner" weighing of our rig. The Transit delivers smooth handling, and its cabin does an excellent job of keeping road noise at bay. Gasoline wins again. The TS has a 35 gallon fresh water tank, a 30 gallon grey tank, and a 30 gallon black tank so cold water isn't an issue. Gasoline wins this round. How long a engine will last probably has a lot to do with how well it's taken care of. BUT, I drove the 3.2 Ford Transit diesel... at least in my opinion, the 5 cylinder engine is not as responsive or smooth despite the specifications above-mentioned...you might have thought that the 3.2 would have more oomph...it didn't.. the extra large box in the back, with the wind drag and unbalanced swaying from not being directly over the wheels...( Back dual wheels on the Navion and Fuse) were slightly inset from the overhang of the coach. Bottom line, are they as reliable as the Econoline E350. I don't believe in making "suspension modifications" as you stated above... maybe a anti sway bar...?? Here are the posted numbers: M-B Sprinter 3.0L V-6  Diesel:  188 HP and 325 ft-lbs of torque. See why it is the best fit for your business with the choice of 50/50 hinged rear doors, cargo tie-down hooks and more! For the first time ever I have more CCC ( ~2,300 pounds)  than cargo space! "Mileage MAY be taken into consideration for gas engine only. I know others that are close or just over 300K but nobody in the 500-600K range. Work vans don't get much better than the 2020 Ford Transit. The 2015 Ford Transit is a full-size commercial van sold with a choice of two body lengths, three engines, and two wheelbases. In my experience the resale value of a diesel is no better than a gas engine when you factor in the additional purchase price. I've driven I-75 thru TN and KY both ways and the cruise held 62MPH just fine through the mountains. BUT, the instability,  Ford Transit diesel, inline 5 cylinder, noisy, cramped driving position with protruding dashboard and poor handling was a complete deal breaker for me.. Diesel resale? 5.4 will be discontinued. Cost of future engine replacements and availability of replacement parts? 2019 Ford F-350 Super Duty Diesel. I paid $2,649 including taxes and labor and the truck was in the shop 4 days. I remember too many of them that just didn't work out very well...  Interestingly enough the new 2018 F-150 diesel Ford just announced is a V-6...not the I-5. It … See why it is the best fit for your business with the choice of 50/50 hinged rear doors, cargo tie-down hooks and more! Why I will never buy a Ford - Transit problems and nightmares. That is on my list to check out before Alaska...  What are you doing? I bought an aftermarket 16k miles transmission. MWeiner, February 3, 2018 in Type B Motorhomes. In the case of our Transit it is about a $6K option for the diesel. Just upgrading the stock shocks can make a huge difference in comfort and handling. The MPG of the diesel versus gas. In the mean time we stay fairly active with the Forest River Owners Group (FROG) Rallies and non-group solo activities... Do you have solar panels on your rig???? EXCEPT, he went on to CLARIFY that this didn't cover the SEAMS! There's a pretty good reason why people care about how this is done and WHY they are impressed by the details in an Airstream or my unit... please remember that the Winnebago Navion or View (same model) is a Mercedes Benz diesel that was cutaway and they built an entire body on the back end....in order to do that, they had to cut corners on the interior finishes on the interior of the coach. I agree, B+ was  popular "sub-class" in the late 90's early 2000's then it pretty much disappeared. Ford. You can be quite self contained with solar...We are using a Zamp Solar system on our rig with two AGM batteries , 6 volt in series...works very well.. We are "solar ready"... Our rig can standard with a Zamp interface but from what I've read that doesn't mean much. As for the mileage not counting on a diesel it certainly does count around here! ExpeditersOnline.com® is a registered trademark of On Time Media, LLC. Have run Mobil 1 since 100,000 miles. In fact, it’s become such a big deal that I’m surprised we haven’t seen something like the Ford Fuel Economy, a single-seater vehicle with bicycle … JavaScript is disabled. The ceiling of both the Navion and Fuse were MUCH less finished than that of Roadtrek..... details matter... Heck, I probably have as much money in my 5 year old Roadtrek as you paid brand new for your coach?? I've driven I-75 thru TN and KY both ways and the cruise held 62MPH just fine through the mountains. Besides the test drive, handling and the fact that I wasn't impressed by the inline 5 cylinder, as you agreed... the Roadtrek RS was quieter, smoother, and handled better than either the Navion or Fuse... actually the Fuse didn't impress me at all and I could have purchased this for less money than the 5 year old Roadtrek....YES.. He replaced two throttle bodies and a couple of the coil packs. In 2002, Mueller purchased a Ford F-350 Super Duty pickup powered by a 7.3-liter Power Stroke diesel engine. I mean lasting without any major failures. Wondering about the best engine choice between 3.2L Powerstroke or 3.5 L eco-boost in new Ford Transit Van. Those do require annual maintenance checks and may require re-caulking. What should be and what is are often two very different things. I pay around $50 for a oil change on my Ford every 7,500 miles, or every six months. But it does not offer the 4×4 paired with a diesel engine. When I open the hood on my 3.7L transit I have plenty of physical access to the entire engine. My 3.7L gas V-6 runs great and doesn't have any "power" issues..at least the way I drive. Updated diesel and V … © 1999-2021 On Time Media, LLC. In fact, with over 80,000 visitors per month, our site is by far the most popular expedited freight destination on the Internet! Ford is refreshing its Transit passenger and cargo vans for the first time since this full-size van made its debut for the 2016 model year. All of our concerns revolve around hot water, see my post HERE,  but since we don't boondock it is an acceptable trade off... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------. I'm curious if these smaller engine can last as long as the 5.4L engines the Econolines had. This diesel rated a combined 22 mpg, according to Edmunds . The 2020 Ford® Transit Commercial Cargo Van. How much does you unit weigh when fully loaded? I have 230K miles on the 3.5. Whale. View Incentives . After 2012 they changed the GVW to 10, 050 from 9,600....but, a good commercial Ford dealer like the one in Stevens Point, Wi, can order a new E350 cutaway derated from the factory at 9, 999 GVW. People started suggesting he trade the diesel … Introducing Ford Co-Pilot360 ™ — an advanced suite of standard driver-assist technologies that includes BLIS ® with Cross Traffic Alert, Pre-Collision Assist with Automatic Emergency Braking, Auto High-Beam Headlamps, Lane-Keeping System and Rear View Camera. Gas cost per mile at 14.5MPG divided in to $2.49 a gallon is 17.1 cents per mile. Ford Transit 3.2L I-5 Diesel: 185 horsepower and 350 lb.-ft. of torque. HD First Drive Review – 2015 Ford Transit PowerStroke Diesel February 17, 2019, 7 pm November 23, 2014, 3 pm by Tom Burkart In the broad and deep Ford Transit line for 2015, there are more than 50 variations in cab setup, overall length, wheelbase, roof height, engine and rear axle setup. Get Offers . Most of the gasoline versions have a slightly larger engine to deal with the additional weight that the coach has to carry... while a diesel engine can and usually is a smaller engine with even greater torque than most gasoline engines. By The average annual repair cost is $1,147 which means it has poor ownership costs. We finally got our hands on a 2015 Ford Transit 350 Power Stroke diesel and apart from the occasional drive-through clearance issue and lower overall tow ratings, found it … Get Offers . One of the best and memorable places we stayed was a BLM land near Arches National Park...not many amenities, but serene .... here's a picture.. below Hittle Bottom  .. Only a few people there when we visited..cleanest pit toilets we've ever seen and nice park hosts as well....since we're over 62..with the senior park pass...it was only $7.50 per night...Lots of beautiful scenery there...highly recommend..... All Rights Reserved. Notable are rear doors that open wider on long-wheelbase versions, a rear hook to pull the van out of trouble is standard and new seating layouts for the passenger van. There are no bulletproof engines. A diesel engine is paired with a six-speed automatic gearbox. The fuel price per mile was very close...so close I would never see any payback worth discussing. Our MBS, when it ran , didn't do bad at 16-17MPG. This full-size Ford van is offered in myriad configurations, giving you the ability to choose a model that's an exact match f… View Incentives . The 6.7-liter Power Stroke V8 is arguably Ford’s greatest diesel engine to date. This Ford's brand new engine was introduced in 2018 as the new power unit option for top-selling Ford F-150 pickup trucks to compete with its primary competitor in the segment - the Dodge Ram 1500 with FCA's 3.0L EcoDiesel. The 3.0 Power Stroke is a 3.0-liter V6 turbo diesel engine with high-pressure common rail fuel injection system and two turbochargers. Longevity is a mindset and is different in everyone's mind. The Transit is available with 3 different engine choices; 3.5 EcoBoost, 3.7 and a diesel. The Diesel is the same with even more complicated emissions devices (diesel particulate filter, regeneration system, DEF system and monitoring, etc). By G.R. Diesel cost per mile at 17MPG divided in to $2.99 a gallon is 17.5 cents per mile. I have a 2016 Ford Transit 250 and I have to replaced the transmission at 255k miles. But the Ford Transit’s new engine is a 2 liter diesel inline-four––borrowed from the Ranger Raptor released abroad. The higher end fit and finish of a Dynamax is all you're buying along with a second year of warranty. change the filter & add 2 quarts at 5000 miles then filter & full oil change next 5000 miles, along with fuel filter and air filter. Then , I would have to be convinced it was a good idea...the vehicle should be designed and perfected at the factory and ready for driving.... One thing I have noticed about camping.. it's nicer to be boon docking in a BLM land, for peace and quiet.... campgrounds and RV parks can be quite noisy and the camp fires with smoke permeating into your site can be really annoying...it's much quieter at home and I can be away from all this... As for your "not boon docking"...you probably could go out for a weekend and be fine... just have to wait for your water heater to kick back in . My friend with Bolt has 385,000 on the 3.5 Transit with no major problems. See the 2019 Ford Transit models for sale near you. recalls, issues, problems. That is the nice thing about the current RV market, everyone gets to choose what works best for them! Research the 2020 Ford Transit Passenger Van Diesel with our expert reviews and ratings. Go look at a higher end Class C and you'll find the same appliances that are in a low end model. I looked at the following items: Initial cost of the diesel engine over the base gas engine in the purchase price. But I can always go to one of the vendors in the FMCA magazine, like RVRoof.com, and have a spray on roof added on top of the existing roof that is warranted against leaks and requires zero maintenance. Ford surprised us a little over a year ago when we were told the Transit Connect van would be adding a diesel engine to its lineup for the 2019 model year. Does anyone own a Ford Transit with milage over 500K-600K? Right now around here diesel is running around $2.99 a gallon, gas is $2.49. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 275 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft. of torque. It had twin beds.. could be converted..a big hassle.. The Ford Transit, also known as the Ford T-Series in some markets, is a range of light commercial vehicles produced by Ford since 1965. That is a little bit less, about 500 pounds, than our Sprinter based Class C weighed on a CAT Scale. Any Sprinter based unit, currently the majority of Class B's, will be a diesel. New for 2017 F-650 and F-750 Ford Super Duty models is a durable 6.7-liter Power Stroke diesel V8 engine, engineered for maximum longevity and tested to prove it.. The Ford diesel would have been a very hard sell, even if the numbers had made sense for me, as I don't like I-5s' either. 3.2 diesel vs. 3.5L Eco-Boost I am new to this forum. The 2020 Ford® Transit Commercial Cargo Van. With the 2020 model year come big changes for the Ford Transit van. I see all RV marketing as a gimmick in a lot of ways. The Ram ProMaster 2500 Reliability Rating is 2.0 out of 5.0, which ranks it 20th out of 21 for commercial vans. I would think that it will likely give you the return and performance you expected. If I don't like driving a vehicle,  what's the point?? I know this is quite a distance from your location...are you planning on taking trips all over the USA in your rig???? "Mileage MAY be taken into consideration for gas engine only.Enter Mileage: (DO NOT use for diesel engines", You will be able to leave a comment after signing in. Sumo Springs are another very popular addition for Class C conversions. It's those external parts that are costly most of the time...tires, fuel injection components, turbos,and such.. Also, starting in 2019, the Econoline cutaway will only be available with the 6.2 (v8), and the 6.8 (v10) engine. I like to mention that to a sales person and watch them stutter. ExpeditersOnline.com is the Internet's leading information and resource provider for the expedited transportation industry. The same question for the Transmission, and Rear and Driveshafts. In most Class B's you aren't going to have an engine choice. Every time my wife looks at the interiors of a Airstream Class B she comments on it. *75,000 for diesel owners. Now that the Ford Transit diesel has been canceled for the U.S., the 2021 Transit will continue to be offered with two gasoline engines – Ford’s 3.5L Duratec V6, which produces 275 horsepower and 262 pound-feet of torque, as well as its 3.5L EcoBoost V6, which is rated at 310 horsepower and 400 pound-feet of torque. Every used car for sale comes with a free CARFAX Report. The Ford Transit does have a new factory 4×4 option for the 2020 vans. Does anyone own a Ford Transit with milage over 500K-600K? He bought a second Transit for that day when this one craps out but he is really happy with the one he has. Here if you aren't getting at least 20-25% off MSRP you aren't trying... New Forest River Class C motor homes come standard with a one piece fiberglass roof. The 2021 Transit-350 starts at $41,035 (MSRP), with a destination charge of $1,695. Here is my take on the issue: I used a proforma spreadsheet to compare the two engine options when purchasing our TS. The next time you are at a RV dealer or show check out an Dynamax Isata 3 M-B Sprinter Class C.  They are easily as nice as any Class B on the market....and we've looked at all of them. But there are a load of RV suspension enhancements advertised, for every Class and chassis, so I suspect many manufacturers would rather sell on "bling" than substance. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Get Offers . Civilized driving experience Now to get that level of fit and finish you pay around $20-30K more than for the exact same M-B chassis, with the same floor plan, as on a Sunseeker / Forester MBS just like we owned. The only roof seams are at the front and rear caps. Ford Transit 3.7L Gasoline:  275 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft. of torque. They ply you with a fancy lounge, cappuccino's and croissants... you think that's cheap??? Power? So if you’re in the market for one, we’ve assembled a handy guide to help you avoid any potential pitfalls and pick the right oil burner. We sample (and soil) a few new cargo vans and find that none of … I don't like 5 cylinder vehicles.... Not as balanced... just me. 6.7-Liter Power Stroke V8. How close to the 11,030 pound GVWR are you? The suspension on a Sprinter from the factory is designed as a compromise that needs to handle various load, and road, conditions. I'm curious if these smaller engine can last as long as the 5.4L engines the Econolines had. Sure you get more trade in but you paid more to begin with...in my experience it was effectively a wash in every deal. POWERSTROKEHELP.COM - The Information Source for Ford Power Stroke Diesel Owners & Mechanics. Car and Driver reports that “Ford confirmed that the U.S. version produces the same 211 horsepower and 369 lb-ft, up from the five’s 185 hp and 350 lb-ft.” My 3.7L gas V-6 runs great and doesn't have any "power" issues..at least the way I drive. View detailed gas mileage data for the 2019 Ford Transit Passenger Van. Been their, done that...  With a M-B Sprinter and Ford diesel trucks, and SUV's, back when we had big travel trailers. As we just mentioned, a diesel engine generally has a longer life span than a gasoline engine. of cargo and towing 7,500 lb.Massive Transit 350HD High Roof Diesel reaches fuel economy of 21 mpg which is an outstanding achievement considering it has the aerodynamics of 35-floor building. There you go buying that "bling"! View Incentives . He also can order Transits the same way. View all model details and specifications. Ford Transit 3.7L Gasoline: 275 horsepower and 260 lb.-ft. of torque. This is a work van that will be used 80000 miles per year. I noticed that even on the Fuse model with the twins, the under chassis space was not as good as the Navion or your Forrest River.. Ford Transit  3.2L I-5 Diesel: 185 horsepower and 350 lb.-ft. of torque. In the last decade or so, gas mileage has become one of the single biggest concerns among automakers. Adding a Hellwig rear sway bar is something most Sprinter based rigs can benefit from as well. Transit 2.2 2006-2016: Engine code: Capacity: Oil type: DRFA/DRFB/DRFC : 6.2: 5w30, 0w40, 10w40: QVFA : 6.14